During a conversation with Christian rapper Lecrae and Chick-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy, Atlanta pastor Louie Giglio said people should stop using the term "white privilege" because "a fuse goes off for a lot of white people" when it is said.
The statements took place at an online church service on June 14 centered around how communities and the church can address racism.
Pastor Louie Giglio, rapper Lecrae and Chick-fil-A CEO Dan Cathy "had an honest conversation about race and the Church" on June 14.
Here's an example of why words and their meanings matter.
"White Privilege" vs. "White Blessings" pic.twitter.com/VkSP6RP0t1
— Nicola A. Menzie (@namenzie) June 16, 2020
Giglio and Lecrae were talking about having difficult discussions with people about racism in the United States, and the Passion City Church pastor explained that white people might be more likely to listen if people didn't use words like "white privilege."
"But I want to flip that upside down because I think the other side of it is true with our nation's history. We understand the curse that was slavery, white people do, and we say 'that was bad,' but we miss the blessing of slavery that it actually built up the framework for the world that white people live in and lived in," Giglio said.
"And so a lot of people call this 'white privilege' and when you say those two words it's like a fuse goes off for a lot of white people because they don't want somebody telling them to check their privilege," he continued.
Giglio went on to suggest using the term "white blessing" rather than "white privilege" and said he was living in the blessing of the aftermath of slavery.
"I know that [Lecrae] and I both have struggled in these days with 'hey if the phrase is the trip up, let's get over the phrase and let's get down to the heart, let's get down to what then do you want to call it,' and I think maybe a great thing for me is to call it 'white blessing.' That I'm living in the blessing of the curse that happened generationally that allowed me to grow up in Atlanta," he added.
A number of people took issue with Giglio's comments online once the video made its way to Twitter. A number of white people, including white pastors, criticized the idea that slavery was a blessing to them, and others said needing to replace the term "white privilege" was white privilege itself.
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The notion that enslavement is a blessing is nothing short of white supremacy. It also happens to be bullshit.
We have to abandon the notion that pastors like @louiegiglio will help us with our messaging and instagram stories and deal with our privilege faithfully and honestly. https://t.co/aA7BBVHGld
— Rev. Rob Lee (@roblee4) June 16, 2020
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Black people also called out the racism behind the sentiment.
White evangelicals have been quietly calling American slavery a blessing for years.
Louie Giglio just had the hubris to say it aloud, on camera, in front of the right Black man who would not lay him flat for it, IN THIS BLACK LIVES MATTERING MOMENT.
— Justice for #BreonnaTaylor (@TrulyTafakari) June 16, 2020
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I grew up in the church and I really have a lot of reservations about different things but one thing was for sure. WE WERE 99% BLACK AND NEVER TAUGHT SLAVERY WAS A BLESSING. that “talk” between Louie Giglio, Dan Cathy, and Lecrae is ????????
— awkward connoisseur (@RaychJackson) June 16, 2020
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Louie Giglio, Sean Feucht, Beth Moore, etc. all preach the same brand of oppressive theology: white supremacist, homophobic, misogynistic, anti-Christ bullshit that harms and destroys lives. And in the midst of an uprising they have cast off restraint and revealed their malice.
— Ms. Charlotte ????️???? (@charlotteirene8) June 16, 2020
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Giglio at first tried to correct his statement, writing a clarification on Twitter.
@spulliam not seeking to refer to slavery as blessing-but that we are privileged because of the curse of slavery. In calling it a privilege/benefit/blessing— word choice wasn’t great. Trying to help us see society is built on the dehumanization of others. My apology, I failed.
— Louie Giglio (@louiegiglio) June 16, 2020
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But once it became clear that people were angry, he released an apology video.
I’m sorry—a message from my heart. pic.twitter.com/FD6AYU1mcM
— Louie Giglio (@louiegiglio) June 16, 2020
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In addition to the criticism Giglio faced, many also came for Lecrae, questioning why he didn't stand up for Black people.
I hope that the Black men who are quick to criticize Louie Giglio will also take a look at Lecrae and realize that a lot of y’all are one conversation, speaking engagement, platform, and Good Ole Boy invite from being him. Lecrae was the picture of Black men’s complicity.
— Mistress of Divinity (@thearmchaircom) June 16, 2020
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Lecrae began responding to complaints on Twitter by criticizing people and demeaning others.
Then Lecrae said no one has a reason to be angrier than him but he’s choosing to lead with grace and love. He then went on to say how *he* is the one putting his career and livelihood on the line to fight for us.
— Candice Marie Benbow (@CandiceBenbow) June 16, 2020
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Candice Benbow shared screenshots of responses Lecrae sent to her as well as an apology.
He later apologized and I responded to the apology. pic.twitter.com/WWCRCSgZTj
— Candice Marie Benbow (@CandiceBenbow) June 16, 2020
She had a lot more to say in the Twitter thread about the situation.
"If you can’t call out the White man in front of you for trying to assuage his own privilege so it makes him feel better about being part of the problem, keep that same energy with the Black women who call your ass out. I stand by what I said and echo Sis. Black evangelicals like Lecrae are the weakest links because their proximity to/affinity for Whiteness will never let them hold White people fully accountable for how they participate in and perpetuate racism," she wrote.
"Dan and Lou were wildly racist throughout the entire talk. It’s a subtle, benevolent racism cloaked in church-speak that they know a dude like Lecrae won’t call out because: 1) he doesn’t have the range and 2) he’s just not going to do it. Leading with love and grace does not mean being a doormat for White supremacy. It doesn’t mean accepting gentler forms of racism because White people are 'just now realizing what it means to be White,'” she added.
She also criticized him for initially trying to justify Giglio's words.
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So many people were commenting on the situation that Lecrae was forced to release his own apology video.
My response to #whiteblessing
pic.twitter.com/KrPAd217Iv— Lecrae (@lecrae) June 16, 2020
"First of all, I want you to know I wasn't OK with it. Even as I sat there, I was very uncomfortable and I was processing on, like, 'how do I, what do I say in light of this?' It's been a lot of times where, as I've navigated white supremacy or racial injustice, where I been trying to figure out where I wanted to lash out, honestly," he said.
"I ended up having a conversation with him subsequently. You know, right after we talked and then I talked to him again last night and let him know my views and my perspectives. Obviously, I wasn't OK with it," he added.
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Some have tried to defend Lecrae, saying he was on someone else's stage and could not speak out.
The reason why I said he felt trapped is because not only Bernice King declined the conversation last minute (she was sick apparently) but also being the ONLY black male around two white males is THE WORST setting to have a conversation about the condition of black people. 2/
— #BLM ✊???? ???? | DEPRESSION’S BIGGEST ENEMY (@pbox116) June 16, 2020
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Twitter user @thearmchaircom explained how Lecrae's response on stage was indicative of the larger issue of Black men not speaking out when given a chance to discuss injustice behind closed doors.
The power dynamics in this situation are not lost on me. Lecrae was on that man’s stage at his invite. I get that y’all think that there are rules and decorum and stuff. But what was happening there was white supremacy and patriarchy.
— Mistress of Divinity (@thearmchaircom) June 16, 2020
Black men get the privilege of political maneuvering, having private conversations, writing letters, sending texts and emails, and everything else when it comes to white men.
— Mistress of Divinity (@thearmchaircom) June 16, 2020
"I see this mess in Christian spaces all the time. Black men will not challenge white men who are authority figures out of some misguided sense of honor and propriety. Y’all will straight up let somebody disrespect and dishonor you and everybody else because you want to 'honor the house' or some such nonsense. I just feel really disappointed and let down because I am so tired of seeing Black men be elevated in this conversation who fail to take the opportunity to ask hard questions and to speak truth to power," she wrote.
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In another tweet, a Black pastor from Alabama, Hart Ramsey, criticized Giglio for what he said.
“White privilege” is NOT “White Blessing!” Please don’t do that.
Slavery was indeed a demonic curse. And what came out of it is also A CURSE.
That logic means I can kidnap someone, force them to work for free, & call the profit MY BLESSING!
NO SIR! @louiegiglio NOPE!
— Hart Ramsey (@hartramsey) June 16, 2020
"'White privilege' is NOT 'White Blessing!' Please don’t do that. Slavery was indeed a demonic curse. And what came out of it is also A CURSE. That logic means I can kidnap someone, force them to work for free, & call the profit MY BLESSING! NO SIR! @louiegiglio NOPE!" Ramsey said.